Nasty Immigrants Steal Votes, Jobs

Yesterday in the legislature:

A bill to make it a felony for illegal immigrants to attempt to vote touched off a heated debate in a House committee Wednesday before being approved.

As it is, illegals can’t vote, and would be turned away at the polls. But their mere presence at a polling location would so harmful to democracy that it really ought to be a felony for them to even show up. And they smell bad, too.

But that is not the only problem created by illegals:

[Rep. Patricia Todd, D-Birmingham, who voted against making a felony for illegals to attempt to vote,] said rather than trying to punish the immigrants, legislators should try to penalize employers who hire them, particularly if they are helping the immigrants vote illegally.

“If employers are knowingly hiring illegal aliens, they should be the ones to be held accountable,” Todd said.

Yes they should. Because, as this video shows, the results of employing illegal immigrants are horrific indeed.

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13 Comments on “Nasty Immigrants Steal Votes, Jobs”

  1. Dystopos Says:

    Isn’t it rather costly to prosecute felony charges, especially against those unlikely to be able to post bond or hire their own attorneys? Are the legislators proposing to donate their recent pay raise to the effort to enforce this inane law?

  2. Wheeler Says:

    it is expensive. not only would they have to pay for the defense attorney, but jail time, and all the time and resources of the prosecution. that’s why felonies are reserved for acts that actually do some kind of, you know, harm.

  3. Kathy Says:

    The imps will be ice skating before our legislature goes after employers. It’s so much easier to posture and bloviate and blame the Mexicans.

  4. Dystopos Says:

    Did she really just use the word “bloviate” in a sentence?

  5. Kathy Says:

    Um, yeah. Why?

  6. Susan Says:

    By the time you’re worked up enough to use the word “bloviate,” you yourself are…well, bloviating.

    Except when I just did it.

    I joke.

    Poorly.

  7. JPW Says:

    First, Onion video… hysterical.

    Second, how big of a problem is it in Alabama that illegals are attempting to vote? I mean, how many documented cases of this actually occur? Why the focus?

  8. Wheeler Says:

    “I mean, how many documented cases of this actually occur?”

    i’d be willing to bet my next paycheck that the answer is zero.

    “Why the focus?”

    in order to succeed as politicians, idiots need bogeymen.

  9. Susan Says:

    Yeah, that old chestnut. The spectre of voter fraud was a staple of the right’s rhetorical toolbox. It has the dual advantages of providing a bogeyman (usually someone not particularly fair-skinned) and disenfranchising people (through unreasonable voter ID laws, purging voter rolls indiscriminantly, etc).

  10. Lee P Says:

    Wheeler,

    The key question here is: “What, if anything, would this bill add to the existing law, and is that addition good, bad, or inconsequential?”

    According to the Tuscaloosa News report you linked to:

    “[Rep. Ken] Guin said it is already a felony in state law for a person who is not legally entitled to vote to try to do so.”

    If Rep. Guin is correct, then it certainly seems that this bill is unnecessary, since it would do nothing more than restate current law. However, the text of the bill directly contradicts Guin’s assertion, assuming that it was reported accurately by the T-News. Quoting from the bill itself: HB 291 (via ALISON):

    “Under existing law, an individual who knowingly provides false information in order to vote or register to vote is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. This bill would provide that an illegal alien who willfully affirms to false voter registration information or an individual who assists an illegal alien to willfully procure false voter registration commits a Class C felony punishable as provided by law. This bill would also provide that an illegal alien who willfully votes commits a Class C felony. Amendment 621 of the Constitution.”

    Therefore, the effect of the bill would be to make illegal aliens subject to greater penalties for voter fraud than citizens or legal aliens are. It sounds like you don’t think that would be a good idea, but you never actually addressed that question directly.

    First off, you said: “As it is, illegals can’t vote, and would be turned away at the polls.”

    As a description of current Alabama law, that’s incomplete, since in addition to being turned away at the polls (we hope), any illegal alien who willingly voted or attempted to vote would have also committed a Class A misdemeanor.

    Secondly, in expressing your disdain for Rep. Hammon’s bill, you said: “But their mere presence at a polling location would so harmful to democracy that it really ought to be a felony for them to even show up.”

    The fact is, of course, that this bill would not make it a felony for an illegal alien to “show up” at a polling location. It would make it a felony for them to willfully vote or attempt to vote.

    I’m sure you knew that already, but I suppose it was easier to attack the straw man rather than to address the merits of the actual bill.

    As to that, I think that this bill is probably not needed. Illegal aliens’ main offense is the obvious one: being here illegally. That’s a problem that needs to be addressed directly through the enforcement of existing immigration laws. Unfortunately, when the federal government doesn’t live up to its responsibilities in that area, we get bills like this that are focused on the effects of illegal immigration rather than the underlying problem.

  11. Willie Says:

    Breaking News: I sighted a group of Mexicans at my local voting site the other day, they were cutting the grass and trimming the hedges!!

  12. wheeler Says:

    lee,

    “The fact is, of course, that this bill would not make it a felony for an illegal alien to “show up” at a polling location. It would make it a felony for them to willfully vote or attempt to vote.”

    my bad for relying on the paper’s account, which said it would be a felony to “attempt” to vote. as a general matter, an attempt probably would incude simply showing up at the polling place. but, as you point out, the bill defines attempt more narrowly as actually presenting false information.

    “the effect of the bill would be to make illegal aliens subject to greater penalties for voter fraud than citizens or legal aliens are.”

    Oh, well, that certainly makes all the difference. obviously i was way off base to criticise this sensible proposal.

    come on, that’s just stupid. same harm = same penalty. it doesn’t matter if it’s the center, the guard, or a receiver who jumps off-sides; it’s the same five yard penalty. ditto here. i can’t think of even one reason a fraudulent vote by an illegal is somehow more damaging than a fraudulent vote by a citizen.

    besides, before we super-penalize fraudulent voting by illegals, i’d like to see some evidence that it is actually occuring.

    this bill is stupid. in fact, it’s so devoid of any rational basis that i wonder if it is simply motivated by racial animus or else is nothing but pandering to ignorant a**holes. so you’re darn right i have nothing but disdain for it. it deserves disdain.

  13. Don Says:

    All of this legalese is way above my pay grade, and I don’t know if anyone illegally in this country has ever voted or even tried to. Having exposed my ignorance on this particular issue, I think that anyone who doesn’t believe voter fraud is a problem in Alabama is in direct disagreement with the over 1,700 multi-ethnic non-partisan members of the Democracy Defense League (http://www.thedemocracydefenseleague.com/) who reside in over 40 Alabama counties.


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